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    Do you have a front rs10 takeoff with 2 days left on it? I have a rear thatís brand new.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Railing View Post
    My recommendation.

    It's not so much the compound or brand of the tire, it's the profile of the tire. If you're looking to get a DOT or slick, then find a similar profile to what you are used to using, round/pointy. 190 or 200, really makes no difference, I've run the 190 on the 1299 since swapping tires because I like the Q3+ on the street and . 55/60, stick to either of these heights. I really enjoyed a 200/60 slick, but I had some clearance issues on the R1, it would rub on the swingarm at 120+ MPH. Just enough that it caused a bit of smoke to come off the bike down the front stretch at Putnam. I couldn't lengthen my chain or change sprockets, so I "smoothed" out the inside ripples on the swingarm and it fixed the issues. It was just a slight rub.

    I have ran Michelin, Pirelli, Bridgestone, and Dunlops in both DOT and slicks. I did NOT like the Michelin, that was when they had the Power V front. It was either full lean or straight up/down, everywhere else felt unstable to me. I know they changed their profile a little after it. The Pirelli/Bridgestone/Dunlops are all similar on profile, smooth transition in a corner with a round profile. With all that I have used, any of those three would feel similar at that pace, and probably give you more confidence than the Q3.

    You need warmers if you're running DOT/Slicks. Tires last longer, you can rip it up on the track within the first lap, and you won't hit your heat cycles. If you aren't going to get warmers, stay on the street/race tires like the Q3, Q3+, or Bridgestone RS10S.

    I really liked the Bridgestone RS10 DOT tires. (Not the RS10S). They felt great, handled well, wore well, and gave great feedback. If I was running a DOT tire, it would probably be that series. If I was running slicks, Dunlop NTECs are the best wearing tire I have ran. I, even with my aggressive throttle, and spinning the rear at NCM, I could get 2 1/2 days out of a rear. With the Pirelli... 6 sessions and they were toast. NCM just ate up my tires, and I've heard it has improved. Putnam, I had no issues with any of the three tires, but the NTEC gave me two weekends of use there (before they resurfaced the track).

    The other thing about track vs street tires, is changing them. If you have access to a changer and can swap them after the day, go with slicks/DOT, if not, stick with the standard street/race tires for the ease of going between the two easier. Honestly if I didn't have a tire changer, I would probably ride what I had instead of changing. Sure it can reduce your times going to a DOT/Slick, but you can still have fun on the street tires. @Danhor7 ; can run in the teens at Putnam on heavily used street tires on a 15 year old bike... DOT/Slicks help, but it's all on the skill of the rider too.
    i run the Q3+ and love them. ive been on Dunlops sice the Q2 and plan on staying there.

    I have warmers. and i actully almost have a second wheel set put together.

    my real question i GPA-Pro or NTech slick. they also just announced a Q4 track tire.

    im pretty set on the GPA-Pro at this point. im my tires fail tech saturday or are done at lunch i may have @JohnCook ; throw some on for me.
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    We (the Amish Racing krewe) have a ton of laps at NCM. In the beginning a soft or medium compound did very well with a well set up suspension. However, the track has aged some now and is a bit rougher so we have switched to a medium front & a medium+ rear which is doing an excellent job (wear and grip). I have a sale right now on the N-TEC 190/55 REAR 8477 Medium+ slick - regular price was $233, sale price is $184. GPPRO DOT 8455 Medium+ rear is $233. I will also have plenty of Q3+'s on the truck too. They go for $325 a set. As always - you buy from me we mount/balance for FREE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCook View Post
    We (the Amish Racing krewe) have a ton of laps at NCM. In the beginning a soft or medium compound did very well with a well set up suspension. However, the track has aged some now and is a bit rougher so we have switched to a medium front & a medium+ rear which is doing an excellent job (wear and grip). I have a sale right now on the N-TEC 190/55 REAR 8477 Medium+ slick - regular price was $233, sale price is $184. GPPRO DOT 8455 Medium+ rear is $233. I will also have plenty of Q3+'s on the truck too. They go for $325 a set. As always - you buy from me we mount/balance for FREE!
    I've done 5 days at NCM, three the first year, two the second. I was on my R1, with proper suspension (Ohlins setup for my weight, tuned by Superbike Suspension and verified by Velocity Calibration after I was destroying them), but was chewing through Bridgestone and Pirelli slicks, one rear a day, maybe 10-12 sessions on a front. I was running 2:01-05 laps and just destroying a tire. If I dialed back to 2:08-2:10 range, the wear looked good. I just found being a bit aggressive on the track ate up my tires. I have heard the NTECs handled the aggressive track much better than the Bridgestone and Pirelli.
    @Dave608 ; had said he was running a different spring on his bike to adjust for the tires.

    I just said I would give it a bit of time and let others figure out the tire combination that would last longer, and I just went a little easier and was running 2:07-2:10 the rest of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCook View Post
    We (the Amish Racing krewe) have a ton of laps at NCM. In the beginning a soft or medium compound did very well with a well set up suspension. However, the track has aged some now and is a bit rougher so we have switched to a medium front & a medium+ rear which is doing an excellent job (wear and grip). I have a sale right now on the N-TEC 190/55 REAR 8477 Medium+ slick - regular price was $233, sale price is $184. GPPRO DOT 8455 Medium+ rear is $233. I will also have plenty of Q3+'s on the truck too. They go for $325 a set. As always - you buy from me we mount/balance for FREE!
    I've done 5 days at NCM, three the first year, two the second. I was on my R1, with proper suspension (Ohlins setup for my weight, tuned by Superbike Suspension and verified by Velocity Calibration after I was destroying them), but was chewing through Bridgestone and Pirelli slicks, one rear a day, maybe 10-12 sessions on a front. I was running 2:01-05 laps and just destroying a tire. If I dialed back to 2:08-2:10 range, the wear looked good. I just found being a bit aggressive on the track ate up my tires. I have heard the NTECs handled the aggressive track much better than the Bridgestone and Pirelli.
    @Dave608 ; had said he was running a different spring on his bike to adjust for the tires.

    I just said I would give it a bit of time and let others figure out the tire combination that would last longer, and I just went a little easier and was running 2:07-2:10 the rest of the day.
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    I run Pirelli slicks at NCM under 2:05 lap times and get 6 days out of a 3 compound and 4 days out of a 2
    I get 6 plus days out of a Dunlop med+ slick rear. I run stock suspension.
    I do 6+ days there a year


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    as soon as i find a 1290 super duke front wheel for under $400 im ordering a Med+ rear set of slicks from John.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride Red View Post
    as soon as i find a 1290 super duke front wheel for under $400 im ordering a Med+ rear set of slicks from John.
    Get a med front


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